Karen Wohlert I think at the heart of it, it's all about personal connections. We have created more opportunities for people to meet, to connect. And also, how we work at Baumhaus, having these very informal, very personal conversations. I think it builds up trust and networks and makes them stronger. We are an acceleration of things or a catalyst of the ecosystem. It's still a soup, but we've contributed to it and it's getting better and it's going to evolve beyond FoodSHIFT. So, a lot of things or results will only come out in the next few years. Things we have supported and initiated. Lisa Haarhoff And I think the political success is that the food hubs were put into the Berlin municipal coalition agreement. In the previous government, it wasn't just the Berlin Food Policy Council. It was also the direct communication between Karen and the Senate administration that made things happen. And the fact that we have worked together at this point in time, that we have formulated a wish or a demand, that now we are stronger together. This is also one of the successes of FoodSHIFT. Because if I hadn't been there and said that this is an important demand that we, the Berlin Food Policy Council, must integrate and streamline our demands to the Senate administration, it wouldn't have happened. I think it was a success.
Karen Wohlert I really think that FoodSHIFT came into the Berlin ecosystem at the right time. I think it was a good combination, and it got things started. And I don’t think we would have managed to get the major additional funding for the food hub network which allowed us to scale from 3 initiatives in 2020 to 27 in 2023, and still growing, if we hadn't been able to say: "Hey, this is part of an EU innovation process, we have ZALF, a well known institute, as a local partner, and we have an impact assessment where science actually says that this is good, this is new, this is needed.” Also, FoodSHIFT gave us time. It was a three and a half year process for us. So, in that time, we could try things, develop things, we could rethink the structure of the food hub network in a kind of continuous evolution. Now we're in a place where we know how to go on. But it really took some years to understand and to test and build and network.